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- From: mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de (Michael van Elst)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.networking
- Subject: Re: New Press Release!
- Date: 21 Mar 1996 08:42:35 +0100
- Organization: dis-
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-
- mart4372@mach1.wlu.ca (Reg Martin) writes:
-
- >Michael van Elst (mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de) wrote:
- >: Sure it is. But if you need a Pentium to do word processing then something
- >: is wrong, no ?
-
- >Nobody said that you need a Pentium to do word processing.
-
- You do if you insist on Win95 and Word.
-
- >with a modern wp. There's nothing wrong with the fact that word
- >processors can do more these days than they used to.
-
- They an sure do more. But almost nothing requires Pentium performance.
- It is the current software technology that sux most of it and not
- the features.
-
- >No, not if they were buying a computer strictly for Unix, but why is
- >it so hard to believe that somebody might want to run both unix and
- >AmigaDOS?
-
- Yes, that is hard to believe. I can understand when people moved from
- AmigaOS to UNIX, but that's hardly a point when the choices are clear
- now.
-
- >NO! I don't think that it necessarily needs to come from AT with
- >any RAM or HD at all. RAM and HDs are trivial to add, and you don't
- >need to pull anything usefull out to do it. Buyers should be able
- >to buy the computer that they want.
-
- Right. If they want to run UNIX they should buy a computer that runs
- UNIX.
-
- >: It is the truth. Not everybody needs big hard drives, not everybody needs
- >: 060s, not everybody needs to run UNIX, not everybody is developing software.
-
- >I never said it isn't the truth. What I said is that it's irrelevant.
-
- How can the truth be irrelevant ? Are you dreaming ?
-
- >: That's why you can buy various models and expand them. Why should everbody
- >: buy something that only some users need ?
-
- >Sigh... That's exactly what I'm talking about. This is why I say that
- >the machine should not include an MMUless processor.
-
- So that everybody has to pay extra for the MMU that only some need ?
-
- >It should come
- >with the option of a range of processors, rather than forcing people
- >to buy a 40Mhz EC030.
-
- It is obviously cheaper to sell the EC030 model and expansion cards.
-
- >I don't want to buy a computer just so that I
- >can take it apart and throw $500 of it in the trash.
-
- You don't.
-
- >If they feel
- >that they must force everybody into buying the same processor though,
- >then they should at least have the decency of using one that
- >everybody can use.
-
- A Pentium ?
-
- >You'd be surprised how many commercial developers don't have MMUs.
- >But so what? You're back to the "not everybody is going to use it"
- >philosophy, which IMO is a stupid one.
-
- It is just stupid when everyone has your needs.
-
- >I don't know much about expanding the 1200, but I do know that there are
- >people out there with FastRAM, and an 020/14. This isn't about the 1200
- >though, it's about the Walker...
-
- It is about developers.
-
- >: It reduces cost. If you want a different processor you have to wait for
- >: an accelerator. Most people will wait for a PPC card anyway.
-
- >It reduces cost for whom? Certainly not for anybody who wants to put
- >in an accelerator.
-
- Even this is possible. The lower cost of the base unit will also lower
- the cost of an expanded unit. Of course I cannot predict if this will
- be correct, it depends on how the walker sells.
-
- >We're not talking specifically about an MMU here, we're talking about
- >virtual memory.
-
- Ah, now you are telling me that virtual memory doesn't need an MMU ?
-
- >No, these apps don't require VM if you have enough
- >RAM, but that's true of everything!
-
- You can afford the RAM necessary.
-
- >Bull. A program is infinitely more useable with VM than it is when
- >there isn't enough RAM.
-
- So buy a couple of Megabytes instead of an MMU.
-
- >VM only causes a temporary slowdown when
- >you run out of real RAM.
-
- Sure, and when you need more RAM than you have then everything
- crawls. VM is just efficient when programs allocate RAM that they
- do not need.
-
- >: I have 16 Megs and most of the time I barely use 6 Megs.
-
- >"Hi, my name is Michael. This is the computer that I use, and it
- >suits me fine, so I think that everybody else on the planet should
- >use the exact same computer"
-
- Actually that's your text. You demand that everybody should pay
- for your needs.
-
- >If you barely use 6, then why do you have 16?
-
- Because I occasionally use more, for example for ImageFX.
-
- >: They are perfectly aware that people that use ShapeShifter regularly have
- >: a graphics card.
-
- >They are also perfectly aware that that's only because a graphics card
- >is essentially required to run in colour.
-
- Sure, and since programs need color the people buy graphics cards.
-
- >Maybe I didn't name a valid reason for having an MMU in YOUR machine, but
- >I named plenty of reasons why it should be in new machines if they are
- >only going to offer one processor.
-
- They aren't going to offer one processor. A 030 isn't enough for many
- people anyway. That's why you will be able to buy CPU cards.
-
- >Just because all you do with your computer is "type",
-
- Be assured. I don't just type. Then I'd just need a Z80 or something.
-
- >Michael, it was a misquote. You quoted me out of context.
-
- I didn't. The quote had nothing to do with the rest of the text.
-
- --
- Michael van Elst
-
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